Shogun: I want my title back, Jones easier to study now

[jbleedin]

How are they ridiculous?
Frankie was wobbling on his legs. He could barely hold himself. He was on auto mode and couldn't ever remember where he was against a guy that`s muuuch bigger than him. And yet came he back fresh. Great conditioning.
Nog was brutalized by a 300 pound monster in his prime. And yet came back fresh. Against Fedor same thing. There's also the Crocop fight....
Brock took a beating of a lifetime from a 280 pound high caliber wrestler, who's a stupidly heavy hitter. And came back fresh to the 2nd. Great conditioning.

Unless you believe Jones hits harder than Carwin, Fedor and Crocop, or even Sapp in his prime....., in my modest opinion they are very good comparisons.

I'm not saying he didn't prepare himself. He obviously trained. But was he in great shape as a champion should be? Not to me. I'm not taking anything away from Jones, but just look at the difference between his fights against Rampage and Rashad, even Lyoto. Supposedly Jones became a even better fighter for these fights. And yet he was nowhere near as dominant in either of the following then he was against Shogun. (I know each fight has it's own story but the difference is ridiculous)

I think Jones is a superior fighter to Shogun in his overall game for sure. But Shogun has much more to offer than what he did in their first fight. Shogun was not in great shape, perhaps good he was considerably well trained, but far from his best. IMO.

They are ridiculous because it's just like MMATH. Each situation is different and you can't say "because Nog took lots of punishment and went the distance means he was in great shape and because Shogun took lots of punishment and was wobbly at the end of the 1st round means he didn't train coreectly for the fight." Ridiculous...

[Kickass32]

I just don't understand the winner Rua/Vera fight getting Jones, Rua hasn't has back to back wins since 2009, and he is 1-2 in his past 3, Vera has only just managed to sort of save his job and he is 1-2-1NC in his past 4 fights, neither of these deserve a title shot for beating the other. It baffles my why the UFC have favored this fight over Machida/Bader for main event status and title shot, fair enough Lyoto isn't in much of a better position than Rua but IMO Bader is much higher up the ranks than Vera and if he wins I believe he should earn a shot at Jones. Then again i don't think it matters anymore because i don't see any of these 4 beating jones anytime soon.
Also, evry one of these has already been beaten by Jones, which just shows how shallow the LHW division is ATM, It seems that there is only Gustaffson who is good enought to truly deserve a title shot for the time being.

I agree it's BS that either Shogun or Machida will recieve a title shot after 1 win in a row....IF Bader wins he is in a much better position than Shogun....and I don't think it's THE WINNER of Shogun/Vera that gets a title shot, only IF Shogun wins.

[Rich Davie]

Here's the update on this situation guys :

UFC changes tune, UFC on FOX 4's Bader-Machida winner also possible for title shot

[Kickass32]

I agree it's BS that either Shogun or Machida will recieve a title shot after 1 win in a row....IF Bader wins he is in a much better position than Shogun....and I don't think it's THE WINNER of Shogun/Vera that gets a title shot, only IF Shogun wins.

I stand corrected......I disagree with Red's sentiment that UFC matchmaking is garbage because they get it right about 95% of the time, however, in this instance, this may be the worst example of matchmaking the company has ever done...this ranks right up there with SF giving Keith Jardine a title shot with Rockhold.

[Brunow]

They are ridiculous because it's just like MMATH. Each situation is different and you can't say "because Nog took lots of punishment and went the distance means he was in great shape and because Shogun took lots of punishment and was wobbly at the end of the 1st round means he didn't train coreectly for the fight." Ridiculous...

How you recover is purely based on conditioning. It doesn't mean you can't get hurt to the point you cannot fully recover, but to recover from a beating in a minute, that's freaking great conditioning!

It has absolutely no relation with MMAMatch whatsoever. I'm comparing facts that other fighters have taken worse beatings and recovered in the upcoming round. Coming back strong.

It's not Fighter A recovered from fighter B, hence if fighter C cannot recover from Fighter A; Fighter A > Fighter C.

In logical assessments you use facts and compare similar situations to make conclusions.

[jbleedin]

How you recover is purely based on conditioning. It doesn't mean you can't get hurt to the point you cannot fully recover, but to recover from a beating in a minute, that's freaking great conditioning!

It has absolutely no relation with MMAMatch whatsoever. I'm comparing facts that other fighters have taken worse beatings and recovered in the upcoming round. Coming back strong.

It's not Fighter A recovered from fighter B, hence if fighter C cannot recover from Fighter A; Fighter A > Fighter C.

In logical assessments you use facts and compare similar situations to make conclusions.

It IS ridiculous. To make comparisons as to how quickly a fighter recovered from what punches and from what fighters is insane. You have to calculate how hard a guy got hit, where he got hit, etc. it is absolutely stupid...

[Kickass32]

Yeah, it's not really fair to try and compare recovery ability from one fight to the next with different opponents....it is alot like MMA math.

[Brunow]

Yeah, it's not really fair to try and compare recovery ability from one fight to the next with different opponents....it is alot like MMA math.

It's not, MMA Math constitutes in. Fighter beat A beat fighter B. Fighter C beat Fighter A. Soon enough Fighter C > Fighter B.

This is completely different. I'm using examples of fighters that IMO received more sever punishment than Shogun and recovered much faster and better due to their great conditioning. I'm not saying Shogun had to recover faster or better. I'm saying I surely expected him to do so ....., it has absolutely nothing to do with MMA Match.

[Brunow]

It IS ridiculous. To make comparisons as to how quickly a fighter recovered from what punches and from what fighters is insane. You have to calculate how hard a guy got hit, where he got hit, etc. it is absolutely stupid...

No it's not, it's where I based what I found from that fight. Either than just my general opinion that Shogun looked like crap.

Ridiculous is saying that recovery ability has nothing to do with conditioning. That is freaking stupid.

[jbleedin]

No it's not, it's where I based what I found from that fight. Either than just my general opinion that Shogun looked like crap.

Ridiculous is saying that recovery ability has nothing to do with conditioning. That is freaking stupid.

Pure ridiculousness... Never have I heard of an real MMA fan trying to compare recovery times of different fighters fighting different opponents on different nights in different situations... MMATH in a different form...