Dana White Rips Clay Guida, Judging At UFC On FX (Video)

[JAX]

I'm gald Dana ripped Guida and his team for their "gameplan" like he said that 's not a fight. How embarassing is that when a ref warns you for "running" Th eguy should go in a triathlaon and maybe use some of that energy up.

[Misfit]

Because the guy doing the takedown has beaten the guy trying to avoid the takedown. Once that happens points are awarded. Now from that point on it's a neutral position until someone does something....either the top guy doing G n P or the bottom guy doing sub attempts etc...

It's a huge difference from making a guy change his stance...not even a close comparison IMO.

That's fair kick but it shouldn't count any more than a single punch then. It's the same thing as a guy landing a jab, right??? But right now, if fighter A land 15 punches in the first 4 minutes and fighter B lands 5 but scores a takedown in the last minute and follows it with nothing, there is a damn good chance he wins the round. Somehow, a takedown has become worth 20 or 30 punches landing. So, I do agree, it has value but no more than a jab.



posting out of Alaska this summer.

[JAX]

That's fair kick but it shouldn't count any more than a single punch then. It's the same thing as a guy landing a jab, right??? But right now, if fighter A land 15 punches in the first 4 minutes and fighter B lands 5 but scores a takedown in the last minute and follows it with nothing, there is a damn good chance he wins the round. Somehow, a takedown has become worth 20 or 30 punches landing. So, I do agree, it has value but no more than a jab.



posting out of Alaska this summer.

And that's the question nobody really seems to know, what exactly is a td worth compared to a jab, sub attempt or leg kick. It appears the almightly TD is the difference in alot of fights that are close just because it " looks" bad when a guy can get another guy down.

[Misfit]

And its bullshit, just like the pettis fight in the first 2 rounds. Guida even said he couldn't do anything from the top cause pettis kept attacking. But very, very few were even close to giving pettis either of the first 2 rounds.

posting out of Alaska this summer.

[CrimsonColts18]

To me, a takedown scores you points, as in, 1 point. It scores you just as many points, as stuffing a takedown scores the other guy. That is, unless theres damage in the takedown, I take that into consideration. Like with the Edgar slam on Maynard, Hughes used to slam people around, that kinda stuff, I put more value into those, cause those takedowns are also doing damage. After that though, you gotta do something, laying in guard to me, is scoring points for the bottom position guy, cause to me that means he stopped you from advancing, unless of course your fighting Jon Jones, or Tito in his day, where these guys would beat you down from the guard. If your smashing someone, and in guard, whatever, do you. If your laying there and your in guard, your just scoring points for the guy on bottom, because he is stopping you from advancing your position. That's how I personally score takedowns. And as for the Guida fight, I had it 4 rounds to 1 for Maynard due to Guida running the entire fight. I was disgusted. I felt like I was watching Carlos Condit vs Nick Diaz.

[Misfit]

First off, welcome back CC, nice to see you posting. However, Condit landed more shots than Diaz did or at least close to even. That's not running, that's picking your shots. But I didn't watch the Guida fight yet, I've heard it was closer to Kaleb not Condit but I will have to judge that when I have more time.

[Kickass32]

That's fair kick but it shouldn't count any more than a single punch then. It's the same thing as a guy landing a jab, right??? But right now, if fighter A land 15 punches in the first 4 minutes and fighter B lands 5 but scores a takedown in the last minute and follows it with nothing, there is a damn good chance he wins the round. Somehow, a takedown has become worth 20 or 30 punches landing. So, I do agree, it has value but no more than a jab.



posting out of Alaska this summer.

I would tend to agree with this for the most part. It is B.S that a round can be won by virtually doing nothing but scoring a takedown in the last minute.

[BluenoseGreig]

All of your points back up my initial arguement saying that MMA needs clearer rules for the scoring of a fight because just now nobody can agree completely on how a fight is scored especially with takedowns!

[Tukh]

Fightmetric had total strikes at 52/49 for Maynard after 5 rounds. That's 10.4 strikes per round. ugh

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/6/23/3112386/ufc-on-fx-4-results-maynard-vs-guida-fightmetric-stats

Condit / Diaz by comparison, was 159/117 for Condit. There really is no comparison.

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2012/02/...tatistics.html

[JAX]

All of your points back up my initial arguement saying that MMA needs clearer rules for the scoring of a fight because just now nobody can agree completely on how a fight is scored especially with takedowns!

That's the hardest part that nobody has made really clear. All they say is "effective striking,grappling,aggresion" ect. but that is very general considering how many different things happen in an mma match. what about sub attempts ? and of course a TD compared to a jab or a leg kick? what about the ole "fence pin" or top control doing a little bit of damage but the guy on the bottom is doing sub attempts? One thing for sure judging isn't easy no matter how you look at it.