Brock Sapp, Meet Bob Lesnar

[snakerattle79]

http://themmahaus.blogspot.com/2010/...ob-lesnar.html

Anyone who was hoping that the fantasies of “Brock the Warrior” would disperse after his public flogging by Cain Velasquez have been sadly mistaken. Still he is ranked among the top five by the bought and paid for media, and still the forums are abuzz with fan boy love. Sure, a certain segment has turned on their former crush in favor of the new passing flavor de jour, but it was only a short time ago that these fair-weather flaksters were pushing Brock as an unstoppable force to be feared. And extending beyond the fan base into the realm of the influential media, there were even a special few “professionals” who have been claiming Brock a beast since his debut against Min-Soo Kim...

Josh Gross: “You can see just by the way he controlled Kim from mount, the power he brought, that he is a special kind of fighter, one that heavyweight MMA really hasn’t seen before.”

Those were the fanboyish words of then Sherdog editor-in-chief Josh Gross after Lesnar‘s first fight, and I’d wager he now feels a fool for having said them.

Unlike Josh Gross, truly knowledgeable enthusiasts of the sport have been shouting their faces blue about Brock the paper tiger ever since he first disgraced MMA with his presence. But leave it to the throngs of morons that make up MMA’s current fan base to jock this novelty act non-fighter. Like real sheepish whores they accept whatever is jammed into their throats by their pimp-daddy Zuffa.

Brock Lesnar is a phony, a white Bob Sapp. They both come from a pro-wrestling background which enables them to play up the extracurricular theatrics to draw the attention of the casual couch dwellers which account for the majority of Zuffa’s pay-per-view buys. They both have experience as NFL linemen, giving them that meat-headed muscle freak body type which the closet-case TUF crowd cream their shorts over, ignorantly thinking that’s what a fighter looks like. And finally, they both take punches about as well as a blind folded puppy dog, twirling and flailing the moment an ounce of heat is put on them. Visit any gym during novice hours and you’ll see beginners with more fight composure than what they show when put under pressure.

There would be no issue if Brock would just go away and stop embarrassing the sport, hopefully taking the entire WWE crowd with him. This isn’t the case though as he is still ranked as an elite fighter on the lists of hack media outlets such as Sherdog and MMA Weekly, even as high as #2 in the case of the former. Brock deserves laughter, mockery, and contempt, not praise and glory he’s done nothing to earn. The truth is that the self-proclaimed big dogs of the MMA media have sunk to the swampy depths of shillery, and upon delving into such muddied waters there is no return, as green greed quickly asphyxiates journalistic integrity.

And so it is, if the masses of uninformed fans cry out for more Brock, the media skunks will gleefully comply, pumping in more smoke and placing more mirrors, prolonging the illusion that is Brock Lesnar. After all, an ignorant fan’s money is just as green as an informed one‘s, and he’s a lot more willing to part with it.

[Misfit]

This writer is an idiot IMO. Brock is not coming from pro wrestling, his coming from college wrestling. Awwh Fuck it, this thread is so bad I'm not going to even waste my time trying to debate it.

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[James Ryan]

Interesting.

[Misfit]

Ok, I had to research this site a bit of where the story came from. OMFG. Let me just show you their top 10's and that should explain the site completely.
1. Fabricio Werdum
2. Fedor Emelianenko
3. Alistair Overeem
4. Junior Dos Santos
5. Cain Velasquez
6. Antonio Silva
7. Aleksander Emelianenko
8. Frank Mir
9. Shane Carwin
10. Josh Barnett

Fucking really??? Does anybody in their right mind really think Mir beat Brock? I an understand not liking Brock but lets not be stupid about it. And people that know me here know I'm a huge Aleks fan but at 7. Again, just stupid IMO.

Now look at their WW.
1. Georges St. Pierre
2. Nick Diaz
3. Jake Shields
4. Jon Fitch
The rest are reasonable.

And for LW, the don't even have BJ on their list. That is about fucktarded as possible. But maybe that's just me.

[Discipline]

Ok, I had to research this site a bit of where the story came from. OMFG. Let me just show you their top 10's and that should explain the site completely.
1. Fabricio Werdum
2. Fedor Emelianenko
3. Alistair Overeem
4. Junior Dos Santos
5. Cain Velasquez
6. Antonio Silva
7. Aleksander Emelianenko
8. Frank Mir
9. Shane Carwin
10. Josh Barnett

Fucking really??? Does anybody in their right mind really think Mir beat Brock? I an understand not liking Brock but lets not be stupid about it. And people that know me here know I'm a huge Aleks fan but at 7. Again, just stupid IMO.

Now look at their WW.
1. Georges St. Pierre
2. Nick Diaz
3. Jake Shields
4. Jon Fitch
The rest are reasonable.

And for LW, the don't even have BJ on their list. That is about fucktarded as possible. But maybe that's just me.

nope, not just you. the guys listed are indeed great, but not all are where they should be thats for damn sure.

[W8 a minute]

This only proves a couple of things:

The Brock "haters" are every bit as interested in Brock as the "fan boys" which is why he'll stay in the UFC for a while.

If you root against any fighter long enough they'll eventually lose and you'll be correct and can say "I'm the most knowledgable fan"

Truth be told I think it's too early in his career to make any predictions. He might develop better stand up as time progresses or he may never develop a stand up game. Honestly he hasn't had enough pro fights to tell.

Was there too much hype surrounding him? Hard to say. He did beat someone to get the belt in the first place, right? He sells a lot of tickets which makes everyones pay day from the prelims to the main card a little better. Bob Sapp couldn't sell out a Dairy Queen and had zero fight skills. Not really a fair comparison IMHO.

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[Misfit]

I agree for the most part with everything you said W8, except for the part about Sapp selling out, he was a star in Japan, no clue why but a star and I'm guessing he helped fill seats. Now, in the long run, did that help Pride, well NO. Pride is gone and some fans still haven't gotten over it.

[MMA Guru]

I agree W8, and further more, why can't some people be objective? Opinionated "news" isn't news. In considering the source, the reasons he uses to justify his to ten are all opinionated to ignore fact, like ranking a guy at #1 because the ufc won't pay attention to him.......kinda childish actually.

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[Misfit]

Now, somebody intelligent probably could make a good marketing comparison between Sapp with Pride and Brock with the UFC. Both were big stars but then again, the UFC really doesn't market their fighters all that much, they market the sport first. Brock just divides the fans sooo much, there is a huge amount of hype surrounding him. No way he could have beat them. Now, if Brock gets owned in his next 3 fights, they yeah, maybe he is closer to Sapp than he is a true champion. But any posts/threads made out of hate are just way to easy to see though, this is clearly another. Hate overpowers logic 99% of the time and this "blog" is just another example of that IMO.

[John]

Biased article is biased.

I agree for the most part with everything you said W8, except for the part about Sapp selling out, he was a star in Japan, no clue why but a star and I'm guessing he helped fill seats. Now, in the long run, did that help Pride, well NO. Pride is gone and some fans still haven't gotten over it.

Bob Sapp, as a japanese commodity and as an entertainer, is awesome and anyone who was around to watch him "got it". It was like the MMA/K-1 equivalent of Arnold Schwarzenegger doing those Japanese energy drink commercials. Pure hilarity. Sapp was a much better entertainer than he was a fighter, IMO. However, his fight with Big Nog was epic and should be watched by any MMA fan.

[rumour] The reason PRIDE is gone is because of it's ties to the Yakuza. They lost their television deals because of said ties, and couldn't promote themselves or broadcast anything. Zuffa buying them out was the result of all this, not the means. [/rumour]

And no, I still haven't gotten over it.

Now, somebody intelligent probably could make a good marketing comparison between Sapp with Pride and Brock with the UFC. Both were big stars but then again, the UFC really doesn't market their fighters all that much, they market the sport first. Brock just divides the fans sooo much, there is a huge amount of hype surrounding him. No way he could have beat them. Now, if Brock gets owned in his next 3 fights, they yeah, maybe he is closer to Sapp than he is a true champion. But any posts/threads made out of hate are just way to easy to see though, this is clearly another. Hate overpowers logic 99% of the time and this "blog" is just another example of that IMO.

To be fair, the UFC marketed Brocktober quite abit, aswell as marketing Brock as the baddest man on the planet. But I agree that the writer is obviously anti-UFC, he makes it clear with his lists. I'm sure we all have our biases though. I don't think Brock is like Sapp, in that Sapp is funny and more entertaining IMO But he's a better fighter than Sapp - obviously not when it comes to K-1 or striking, but in MMA Brock is better.

To me, Brock is still a good fighter, just not as great as everyone thought he was, and certainly not the baddest man on the planet. Before the Carwin fight, everybody thought his size and strength would be too much for anyone. Then for some reason people thought his wrestling (and size/strength) would be too much for Velasquez, regardless of what I told everyone The Carwin fight did expose Brock's chin, but it also showed that Brock is able to over come adversity (if his opponent gasses ) He had a rather decent streak with Herring, Couture, Mir and Carwin. But he still has a problem with taking a clean punch from a good striker, and I think anyone with reputable standup game will give him a problem unless Brock A) learns to take a punch better, and B) learns to throw a punch better.

The Carwin and Velasquez fights proved that Brock Lesnar simply can not rely on his power, size and wrestling anymore, especially if his opponents assume he's going to be going for the takedown right off the bat. Brock will have to start working on his striking - I still say to this day that if the guy learns better head and foot movement, and learns how to use his hips more and throw better strikes, he can hurt people. But even in the Cain fight, he was swinging for the fences and kept his chin exposed, and the minute Cain cracked him with a good shot, he fell.

I still think Brock is able to do some more in the world of MMA, but not if he continues to be one-dimensional. The gigantic, powerful, takedown machine doesn't seem so scary anymore.