• Chris Weidman Asks Silva’s Camp Why Don’t They Want to Face the No. 1 Contender ?

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    Chris Weidman Asks Anderson Silva’s Camp Why Don’t They Want to Face the No. 1 Contender?

    Posted on July 29, 2012 by Damon Martin



    There’s probably no quicker way to illicit a response from a fighter than to call them ‘amateur’ or ‘a joke’, especially when those words are coming from a manager and not another competitor.
    The strong statement came from Jorge Guimaraes, who is a co-manager of UFC middleweight king Anderson Silva, when speaking to Tatame.com about the prospects hoping to next face his fighter in the Octagon.
    “That’s a big joke,” Guimaraes said about Chris Weidman and his fellow middleweight contenders. “Anderson has the biggest paycheck in the UFC and you can’t promote and event with these amateur kids that are coming up now.”
    Needless to say Weidman didn’t take too kindly to Guimaraes’ words about him or the other top ten middleweights vying to face Silva in the cage.
    “I read them and it’s kind of crazy. The managers they have no right to start putting down professional athletes. He put me, and (Alan) Belcher, and (Tim) Boetsch down and he’s trying to draw attention away from the fact that I’m the No. 1 contender, and then called us amateurs, and we’re all top ten fighters,” Weidman told MMAWeekly.com when reached for comment.
    “This is what we do for a living and then you have some manager in Brazil who’s calling us amateur fighters and calls me a joke, it’s definitely a little crazy and I know I wouldn’t want my manager speaking about other fighters like that.”
    As a matter of fact, Weidman’s manager David Martin declined to comment on the story all together and simply left the talking up to his fighter who is the one competing in the Octagon.
    Weidman believes there is a bigger conspiracy going on because the names that Silva’s managers continue to mention include UFC welterweight champion Georges St-Pierre, Strikeforce champion Luke Rockhold, and after Friday night they even found interest in a potential bout against UFC bad boy Nick Diaz.
    “It’s like they’re trying to avoid my name being mentioned at all for the title shot. They’re trying to deflect with other guy’s names so people can start thinking about them as possibilities, but even guys they’re choosing to call out like GSP or (Nick) Diaz, they’re both welterweights,” Weidman stated.
    The fact is right now St-Pierre, Diaz and Rockhold are unrealistic in terms of fights for Silva to take at least in the next 8 to 10 months. Weidman is quick to point out he has nothing but the utmost respect for all three fighters, but right now none of them fit into the immediate picture for a bout with Anderson Silva.
    “I mean GSP, let’s start with him. The guy is coming off ACL surgery, we don’t even know for sure when he’s fighting, and when he does fight he’s fighting Carlos Condit for the welterweight title. You never know what’s going to happen and best-case scenario he could fight again around May. So if anything, fight me next, if you beat me then you get your shot with GSP. You’re just calling out a 170lber coming off ACL surgery,” Weidman fired back.
    “Then Nick Diaz, he’s another guy he’d have a size advantage over, he’s another good name but the guy’s not going to be cleared till February. That’s just crazy. Nothing to say about me, who has proven to be the No. 1 contender. I beat two top five guys in the division in a row, and no one’s come close to doing that, especially in the fashion I did in my last fight against Mark Munoz.”
    The third name mentioned by Silva’s camp, Luke Rockhold, is a legitimate middleweight and currently the Strikeforce champion at 185lbs, but he cannot move to the UFC for at least the next 18 months while the company is under contract with Showtime.
    Silva’s representatives have also stated that he’s not looking to fight at a higher weight class than 185lbs again, so it’s either middleweight or bust for the longest reigning champion in UFC history.
    “The guy’s a champion of 185, he should be fighting the contenders. You don’t call out guys that aren’t going to be able to fight forever and guys that are lighter than you. Why don’t you call out Jon Jones? That makes sense, I’m sure a lot of people would watch, I’d love to watch too. If you’re not going to fight him, fight me, I’m ready to go,” Weidman stated.
    The other concern raised by Silva’s camp was the ability to promote a fight between their client and a fighter like Weidman, who isn’t as widely known or outspoken as say his last opponent Chael Sonnen.
    Weidman puts his faith in UFC President Dana White and knows that the UFC can promote a fight with him and Silva just fine, and he’s ready to step up to the challenge.
    “Dana White’s the best promoter in the world and I have full confidence that he’d be able to promote the fight just fine,” said Weidman. “I’m undefeated, every time I’ve had a full camp I’ve finished my opponent. You’ve got Anderson Silva, the No. 1 guy in the UFC right now, and just him alone is fine, and it just makes no sense what he’s saying. The manager’s not showing enough faith in the UFC and Dana White in the way they can promote the fight.”
    The one person who has yet to make a statement about this entire situation is the UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva. While his managers have talked about what fights make the most sense, the reigning and defending king of the 185lb division hasn’t said much in terms of what interests him or if he’s opposed to facing Weidman in the Octagon.
    “I have nothing but respect for Anderson Silva, and I would expect him to want to fight the best guy and the guy who’s going to give him the toughest challenge. If it was up to him, I think he would want to fight me because I am the toughest challenge. But his managers I feel like they are trying to keep me away from it and try to make me irrelevant enough in the title picture with Anderson Silva,” Weidman said.
    “When you talk to Ed Soares and the other guy, it’s as though I’m not in the picture at all.”
    There’s no doubt that Weidman is fired up about the entire situation, but he makes one thing very clear when discussing anything to do with the UFC middleweight title picture. While his dream is to fight for the title, Weidman is a company man and will do whatever the UFC asks him to do.
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    If that’s face Anderson Silva later this year, Weidman will gladly sign the dotted line. If it’s another fight, Weidman will gladly participate in that endeavor as well.
    “If the UFC tells me tomorrow that I’m fighting someone else, I have no problem. I fight for the UFC, whatever they tell me to do, I’m going to do. My goal is to be the champion and I feel like I’m in a position where I have the chance to become the champion, it’s me trying to chase my goal,” said Weidman.
    “If the UFC tells me 20 minutes from now that the Anderson Silva fight isn’t going to happen, and I need to fight someone else, I might be upset for a couple of minutes, but I’ll move on. I just feel like I’m the No. 1 contender right now and I feel like the champion should fight the No. 1 contender.”
    And that’s the bottom line that Weidman wants everyone from Anderson Silva to his managers to the fans to the UFC executives to understand. He has proven in the cage that he’s the toughest challenge still standing in the UFC middleweight division, and Weidman is ready to show Anderson Silva as well.
    “I feel like I’ve made it blatantly obvious with this last fight that I’m ahead of the pack,” said Weidman. “The champ should want to fight that guy.”

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    1. Misfit's Avatar
      Misfit -
      Ummm, no Red, his team is saying that shit. Every fight you say he tried to "derail" happened. Why can't you see it as just part of the negotiations for a fight. He has fought every single person the fans and UFC wanted him to fight, it's still a fact. He just fought a month ago, this is all just part of setting up the next fight. Dana has no problem saying, Fighter X won't sign the fight, he did so with Shogun, he's also called out Machida for wanting Silva money. When the UFC can't get Silva to sign, we will most likely know about it. Just like with Sonnen, the money was right and Silva quickly signed the fight. His managers are just trying to set that up IMO.
    1. Red Tex's Avatar
      Red Tex -
      Quote Originally Posted by Misfit View Post
      Ummm, no Red, his team is saying that shit.
      And I'll stop you right here. Excuses are nothing but excuses when you pull this "team or camp" blaming. His team is his representation and they speak on his behalf. Anderson pays those guys to make statements "FOR HIM." That's the whole point of being a manager or a publicist. They translate and communicate his thoughts and his opinions.

      Quote Originally Posted by Misfit View Post
      Why can't you see it as just part of the negotiations for a fight.

      You have no idea that this is the case. I've heard you state this several times, but show me some sort of proof that this has all been just this negotiation ploy in all of these different fights where this pattern has continued. You're basing all of this off of nothing but assumptions and hunches.


      Quote Originally Posted by Misfit View Post
      He has fought every single person the fans and UFC wanted him to fight, it's still a fact. He just fought a month ago, this is all just part of setting up the next fight. Dana has no problem saying, Fighter X won't sign the fight, he did so with Shogun, he's also called out Machida for wanting Silva money. When the UFC can't get Silva to sign, we will most likely know about it.
      You do and did find out about it. Dana did call out Silva and say publicly that he didn't want to fight Sonnen. Hell he stated that him and SIlva had to drag him into some room at some event and practically force him to sign a contract when he finally did. You conveniently dismiss all of this for whatever reason, but it's fact according to Dana White who you just used as this confirmation piece to the public.
    1. Misfit's Avatar
      Misfit -
      I think Dana said something about the money was right for Silva. The only fact I have to bring to the table is that EVERY SINGLE FIGHT happened. I don't give a shit about all the drama leading up to the fight, I really don't as long as the fights happen. His fights happened. I don't buy all the shit the fighters say, nor the managers, I just want good fights. Silva has a history of fighting down to his level. When the UFC gives him guys that really aren't worthy of his level, Silva puts out a shitty product. Still, clearly wins but it's shit IMO. I think that's why many blast Silva and I think he deserves that shit, he should just Mike Tyson those fights, instead, he thinks he's being "entertaining" by prolonging the fights. It's BS, I also hate him for that shit. But history has shown us that, if thinks it's a lesser fight, it's sucks for us as fans. I think Tim is more deserving of the title fight cause he has better wins but I think his style is a joke for Silva. I might be Tim's biggest nuthugger here but the fights a joke. Chris has the best chance of beating him from a skillset side of things but we've heard all that shit before about the guys that are going to beat Silva. I which Chris had a larger name but he simply doesn't, it's not a big fight right now and as you said, they should be about putting on big fights. I still think it's Bisping that gets next shot after he beats Stann. Bisping sells fights, more out of hate but still sells them. Would love to see Chris fight another top 10 guy but the UFC needs to sell the guy more. Get Matt Serra talking more about him and people will either love him or hate him but they will at least know who the fuck he is. But this article is a start, it's good for him to say this shit, it's building his name which increases the value of this fight. I just think he's still one W away from getting this fight.
    1. Brunow's Avatar
      Brunow -
      Quote Originally Posted by Red Tex View Post
      Covering your eyes and ears to facts doesn't mean that they don't exist because you don't want them to. Anderson has attempted to derail many match up plans in the past. He has also backed up the accusations made by many fans with his recent attempts to fight guys like GSP and Rockhold, while not wanting any part of Weidman.
      So he's ducking Weidman?
    1. Brunow's Avatar
      Brunow -
      Quote Originally Posted by Misfit View Post
      I think Dana said something about the money was right for Silva. The only fact I have to bring to the table is that EVERY SINGLE FIGHT happened. I don't give a shit about all the drama leading up to the fight, I really don't as long as the fights happen. His fights happened. I don't buy all the shit the fighters say, nor the managers, I just want good fights. Silva has a history of fighting down to his level. When the UFC gives him guys that really aren't worthy of his level, Silva puts out a shitty product. Still, clearly wins but it's shit IMO. I think that's why many blast Silva and I think he deserves that shit, he should just Mike Tyson those fights, instead, he thinks he's being "entertaining" by prolonging the fights. It's BS, I also hate him for that shit. But history has shown us that, if thinks it's a lesser fight, it's sucks for us as fans. I think Tim is more deserving of the title fight cause he has better wins but I think his style is a joke for Silva. I might be Tim's biggest nuthugger here but the fights a joke. Chris has the best chance of beating him from a skillset side of things but we've heard all that shit before about the guys that are going to beat Silva. I which Chris had a larger name but he simply doesn't, it's not a big fight right now and as you said, they should be about putting on big fights. I still think it's Bisping that gets next shot after he beats Stann. Bisping sells fights, more out of hate but still sells them. Would love to see Chris fight another top 10 guy but the UFC needs to sell the guy more. Get Matt Serra talking more about him and people will either love him or hate him but they will at least know who the fuck he is. But this article is a start, it's good for him to say this shit, it's building his name which increases the value of this fight. I just think he's still one W away from getting this fight.

      Yeah, that's true. Cote, Leites and Maia fight were pure crap. But still that's 3 out of 11 title fights, so the ratio is not bad. But as I said, I'm a fan of the fighter, but I don't agree with all his attitudes. IMO he's never ducked a fighter, mainly not because he think he's in threat of getting beat by that fighter. If anything he comes out as an arrogant prick who puts himself above the others and establishes a level to fighters that should get a shot at him.

      Weidman clearly hasn't reached that level yet. Neither any MW out there in title contention. If Bisping of Vitor win their next fights, they're likely to face Silva. I too think Weidman needs another credible win under his belt. Maybe a fight with Tim..
    1. jbleedin's Avatar
      jbleedin -
      Dana needs to just not listen to SIlva and his team and put the guy that deserves it the most in front of Silva. The UFC should start handing out fines to fighters, managers, and their whole camp if they turn down a fight or threaten to turn down a fight.
    1. Kickass32's Avatar
      Kickass32 -
      I really wish the UFC would institute an official rankings list.
    1. Brunow's Avatar
      Brunow -
      Quote Originally Posted by jbleedin View Post
      Dana needs to just not listen to SIlva and his team and put the guy that deserves it the most in front of Silva. The UFC should start handing out fines to fighters, managers, and their whole camp if they turn down a fight or threaten to turn down a fight.
      That's the thing, combat sports (UFC and Boxing) are different than other sports. It's a contracted based fight per fight. They agree terms for every fight. It's not like for instance soccer where the association determines who faces who, there are knock out stages and all that good stuff.

      In combat sports (except tournaments) you agree every fight. So it's not just I want to to fight this guy, the UFC thinks it makes sense, let's do it now. The other guys has to agree as well. They have to agree how much they get out of PPV, official pay check.., etc..,etc.

      It's not that straight forward, behind the scenes Dana busts his ass off to make this thing run as it does.
    1. Red Tex's Avatar
      Red Tex -
      Quote Originally Posted by Brunow View Post
      So he's ducking Weidman?
      As of now, that is fact.
    1. Brunow's Avatar
      Brunow -
      Quote Originally Posted by Red Tex View Post
      As of now, that is fact.


      You're pby right, he's in total awe of Weidman after his impressive win over Munoz. Silva wants no part of that almighty beast.


      That's just so laughable.., but it's really funny someone actually believes that to be a fact.


      Well.., has the UFC offered this fight to him?
    1. Red Tex's Avatar
      Red Tex -
      Quote Originally Posted by Brunow View Post


      You're pby right, he's in total awe of Weidman after his impressive win over Munoz. Silva wants no part of that almighty beast.


      That's just so laughable.., but it's really funny someone actually believes that to be a fact.


      Well.., has the UFC offered this fight to him?
      You can keep making things up and pulling stuff out of your ass all you want, but I"m sticking to pure facts here. Silva is currently calling out LW's and garbage champs like Rockhold in SF, while refusing to fight the top contenders at MW when Anderson is arguably a LHW fighting at MW.

      As far as Weidman goes, if you were smart enough to actually read these threads instead of twisting facts, you'd have seen me say several times that Weidman needs another big fight before a title shot. I've been one of the biggest complainers about Weidman's hype in the last few weeks, so don't try plugging me in as some guy that is falling inlove with Weidman over one fight with Munoz. Typical ploy from you when you can't answer to actual facts.

      The fact is that Anderson is the champ, and he needs to fight whomever the UFC tells him to fight. Weidman may be a poor contender and a guy that has caught a ton of hype recently, but that isn't for Anderson to judge by as far as his match ups go. That's for the UFC execs to decide, not Anderson. If Anderson really wanted some great challenge and big name, he'd be out there doing everything possible to fight Jon Jones. He won't do that, so this whole idea that he is after big fights is a crock of shit. I love it how Weidman recently came out and even said it himself that if Anderson won't fight Jones, than he needs to fight him at MW since he is a high contender now. Weidman is right. Weidman even says that Jones is that big fight for him and that's who he should be fighting, but if he won't fight Jones, than fight him. Weidman is saying it like it is, and good for him.
    1. Red Tex's Avatar
      Red Tex -
      What are the odds that Anderson calls out Frankie Edgar soon?
    1. Brunow's Avatar
      Brunow -
      Quote Originally Posted by Red Tex View Post
      You can keep making things up and pulling stuff out of your ass all you want, but I"m sticking to pure facts here. Silva is currently calling out LW's and garbage champs like Rockhold in SF, while refusing to fight the top contenders at MW when Anderson is arguably a LHW fighting at MW.

      As far as Weidman goes, if you were smart enough to actually read these threads instead of twisting facts, you'd have seen me say several times that Weidman needs another big fight before a title shot. I've been one of the biggest complainers about Weidman's hype in the last few weeks, so don't try plugging me in as some guy that is falling inlove with Weidman over one fight with Munoz. Typical ploy from you when you can't answer to actual facts.

      The fact is that Anderson is the champ, and he needs to fight whomever the UFC tells him to fight. Weidman may be a poor contender and a guy that has caught a ton of hype recently, but that isn't for Anderson to judge by as far as his match ups go. That's for the UFC execs to decide, not Anderson. If Anderson really wanted some great challenge and big name, he'd be out there doing everything possible to fight Jon Jones. He won't do that, so this whole idea that he is after big fights is a crock of shit. I love it how Weidman recently came out and even said it himself that if Anderson won't fight Jones, than he needs to fight him at MW since he is a high contender now. Weidman is right. Weidman even says that Jones is that big fight for him and that's who he should be fighting, but if he won't fight Jones, than fight him. Weidman is saying it like it is, and good for him.

      Again, has UFC offered the fight....?

      On the Jones thing.., dear God. Here we go again.

      I don't know if you've read anything these days, but Jones does not want the fight to happen just as much at Silva doesn't want it... so why should Silva be calling out Jones and not the other way around?


      Silva is arguably a LHW fighting at MW? hmmm.....

      Well.....,
      Jones is arguably a HW fighting at LHW (actually the biggest LHW I've ever seen I think)
      GSP is arguably MW fighting at WW ...
      Henderson is arguably a WW fighting at LW...
      Aldo is arguably a LW fight at FW....

      What's the point in that argument?


      As far as you sticking to facts.., riiight.., so Silva called out a LW? Who did he call out? I really missed it...
    1. Brunow's Avatar
      Brunow -
      Quote Originally Posted by Red Tex View Post
      What are the odds that Anderson calls out Frankie Edgar soon?
      I thought he did already, no? According to your fact based arguments, and you mentioned Eddie, I think it's likely he already did so....
    1. JAX's Avatar
      JAX -
      Quote Originally Posted by Kickass32 View Post
      I really wish the UFC would institute an official rankings list.
      The question is how do you really do that? It sounds simple but do you have a point system? and do you rank an ugly SD the same as dominating fight? The truth is it's almost impossible to do, I've followed boxing rankings over the years and it is really a complete joke, of course the promoter with the deepest pockets always seems to have his fighters atrificially high.
    1. Brunow's Avatar
      Brunow -
      Quote Originally Posted by JAX View Post
      The question is how do you really do that? It sounds simple but do you have a point system? and do you rank an ugly SD the same as dominating fight? The truth is it's almost impossible to do, I've followed boxing rankings over the years and it is really a complete joke, of course the promoter with the deepest pockets always seems to have his fighters atrificially high.
      Yup, it cannot be done 100% accurate and no system will have the agreement if everyone. There's really no legitimate solution to this. It will always come down to opinions and different perspectives. The most common sense is who beats who. But as you mentioned an ugly SD vs a dominant UD. You can't give the same value to both.
    1. Mu_Shin's Avatar
      Mu_Shin -
      Some folks are under false impression that the UFC is an organization that adjudicates the sport of mixed martial arts. MMA is a sport, but the UFC promotes sporting events, it does not preside over an open competition like we're watching these days from London. The UFC is a private, invitation only promotion, wholly independent of any external input as far as who fights who or what the logic is concerning match making.

      Several good points in the posts here, where some of us are arguing both sides of the fence at the same time without seeming to realize it...

      Misfit said it: if the UFC decides Silva will fight Weidman, he'll either do it or he'll be looking elsewhere for work. Silva said every way he could he didn't think Chael Sonnen deserved a shot at the title, and yet the fight occurred. Neither fighters nor their management have a voice in the matchmaking. They do have a right of refusal, but I think there has been ample evidence that if fighters exercise that right, even a division champion, they will find themselves in a limbo of indecision and unemployment, until they decide to accede to the wishes of the promotion that signs their checks.

      Also agree that much of the bluster and public discourse credited to managers and representatives in the name of their client is posturing, churning the waters in hopes of increasing interest in said client, enhancing public interest in their particular fighter's upcoming battles, and perhaps improving the chances of a favorable business deal for future events. Remember all the hype that surrounded Fedor Emelianenko, who rarely said anything to anyone about any aspect of his career, and how his management at M-1 Global became the target of so much antipathy that rarely touched or reflected on the fighter himself, even though he was a part owner of the company?

      Summing up, the UFC promotes events to make money. It is their responsibility, and in their own best interest, to bring a fighter like Chris Weidman to the attention of their target audience, so that an eventual match for the middleweight championship is not only a marketable event, but one that demonstrates a legitimacy within the parameters of the sport. Neither Anderson Silva nor Ed Soares or whoever gets to decide whether Weidman is a worthy opponent. Those calls get made in the offices of Joe Silva, Dana White, and the people who determine what contests, or story arcs if you will, will return the greatest profit to the company. Not whether Weidman has sufficient skill to challenge for the title, but whether the championship match can maximize revenue for the promotion...
    1. Brunow's Avatar
      Brunow -
      Mu, I agree. But it's not always exactly what the UFC wants a and as they offer it. A couple of examples can be taken, Vera and Forrest have refused to fight Machida. Shogun deliberately refused to fight Glover, Dana said it on public himself. Yet, now if he beats Brandon Vera he gets another shot at the title.

      I agree with the vast majority of your post, but this is a business that depends on 90+% on their employees to be successful. Dana knows how to deal with these guys and they need to be happy and motivated to perform.

      Actual, no job (unless perhaps ancient cultures like the Chinese I hear) orders are as simple as a Manager says "You need to do this".., and the employee simply goes ahead and does it, even if it doesn't make sense to him. Believe me I know what I'm talking about cause I am a Service Delivery Manager myself.

      Anyhow, in the fight business it's much more complex. Every single fight they match up, they have to come to agreements with both fighters. They have to find common sense between all parties and figure out what's fair and what's a good business deal for everyone involved.

      They agree their purse, if it's the main event their bonuses, short notice fights have additional bonuses. Main event fights have PPV cuts, etc, etc, etc.

      If it was as simple as Joe Silva decides who fights who, all this crap about friends not fighting friends would be over. Silva would likely be fighting at LHW, GSP at MW and Jones perhaps with one more defense at HW. It's not straight forward, not at all. They have ultimate respect for the fighters desire and that's what's made them as successful as they are, IMO.
    1. Misfit's Avatar
      Misfit -
      Quote Originally Posted by Brunow View Post
      Yup, it cannot be done 100% accurate and no system will have the agreement if everyone. There's really no legitimate solution to this. It will always come down to opinions and different perspectives. The most common sense is who beats who. But as you mentioned an ugly SD vs a dominant UD. You can't give the same value to both.
      It works in College Football, the BCS does a great job. Oh wait, nevermind...
    1. Kickass32's Avatar
      Kickass32 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Brunow View Post
      Again, has UFC offered the fight....?

      On the Jones thing.., dear God. Here we go again.

      I don't know if you've read anything these days, but Jones does not want the fight to happen just as much at Silva doesn't want it... so why should Silva be calling out Jones and not the other way around?


      Silva is arguably a LHW fighting at MW? hmmm.....

      Well.....,
      Jones is arguably a HW fighting at LHW (actually the biggest LHW I've ever seen I think)
      GSP is arguably MW fighting at WW ...
      Henderson is arguably a WW fighting at LW...
      Aldo is arguably a LW fight at FW....

      What's the point in that argument?

      Absolutley not, GSP is actually pretty much the norm for WW's

      Quote Originally Posted by JAX View Post
      The question is how do you really do that? It sounds simple but do you have a point system? and do you rank an ugly SD the same as dominating fight? The truth is it's almost impossible to do, I've followed boxing rankings over the years and it is really a complete joke, of course the promoter with the deepest pockets always seems to have his fighters atrificially high.
      I know it wouldn't be perfect, but at least it would give an appearance that who they grant title shots to make sense.