• Guess What? Chael Sonnen’s Camp is Appealing the Outcome of the Anderson Silva Fight.

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    Kickass32
    Published on 07-10-2012 01:05 PM
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    Guess What? Chael Sonnen’s Camp is Appealing the Outcome of the Anderson Silva Fight.


    Well, that didn’t take long.
    After appearing genuinely humbled after losing the second round his middleweight title fight against Anderson Silva at UFC 148, none of us were buying the idea that Chael Sonnen had been humbled by the loss and accepted the outcome. For starters, we literally saw the exact same thing happen after UFC 117. On top of that, since Saturday night there have been countless debates both on and offline over vaseline, shorts-grabbing and ‘illegal’ knees that potentially cost Chael P. Sonnen a victory against Anderson Silva. In other words, if Chael Sonnen could come up with excuses to justify his “victory” over Anderson Silva at UFC 117, it was obvious that he would have an excuse for his loss in the rematch now that there’s actually some kind of controversy surrounding the fight.
    Earlier today, it was reported that Chael Sonnen’s camp filed an appeal with the Nevada Athletic Commission to overturn the result of the his bout against Anderson Silva at UFC 148 to a no-contest. As first reported by Jonathan Snowden on The MMA Show:


    “Scott McQuarry, the head coach of Chael Sonnen, says they’ve started the process to file an appeal with Keith Kizer and the Nevada Athletic Commission. They believe the knee Anderson Silva threw was illegal, that the intent was to knee the face, that it did it in fact strike Chael in the face, that he got eight stitches and that he bit his tongue. They also say Anderson grabbed the cage at the point of impact. They are intending to appeal and have the fight ruled a no contest.”


    Before we get back to Illegal-Kneegate, it already appears that after talking to NSAC officials, Sonnen’s coaches have already scrapped the initial plan. Instead, it looks like Sonnen will just stick with appealing to both the fans and Dana White for a third match against “The Spider.” Considering that NSAC Head Keith Kizer had no idea what the legal basis of an appeal would be, that’s probably for the best.
    For a guy who complains about wasteful government spending, Chael Sonnen and company almost wasted a lot of money on a frivolous hearing.
    Back to Illegal-Kneegate: The perceived illegal intent of the knee in question is not in any way, shape or form relevant, so let’s not even have that debate. The vaseline (that was wiped off of Silva immediately, mind you) didn’t seem to prevent Sonnen from taking down Silva in the first round, so how about we end that debate too? As for the shorts-grabbing, Silva was warned about it during the fight and Sonnen admitted after the fight to grabbing Silva’s shorts as well. If you wanted Yves Lavigne to separate the fighters and deduct a point from Silva, then kindly refrain from explaining how that would have prevented Chael Sonnen’s boneheaded decision to attempt a spinning backfist, allowing Anderson Silva the opportunity to finish “The America Gangster.”
    As numerous fans, pundits and members of our comments section have already pointed out, this is just another instance of Chael Sonnen being his own worst enemy. He has now lost two fights against Anderson Silva due to monumental lapses in judgment, and is clinging to the idea that he is the victim of a series of illegal tactics. If Sonnen is ever going to hold a belt in the UFC – at any weight class – he needs to stop making excuses and avoid the mental breakdowns he’s been having during title fights. Also, if Sonnen’s endgame is establishing a reason for an immediate rematch, I highly doubt that the UFC will want to taint the reputation of its most dominant champion by implying that he cheated during their fight Saturday night.
    And on that note, I offer one final picture of the knee. You may now resume your debate. Keep it civil, you guys.
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    1. Xtrordinaire's Avatar
      Xtrordinaire - 07-10-2012, 01:19 PM
      Anderson Silva is just so Damn accurate! Where ever he wants his knees and hands and elbows to go they will go.. I won't lie I wanted to believe that it was an illegal knee at first cause I wanted sonnen to win but nope clearly a knee to the chest

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    1. Brunow's Avatar
      Brunow - 07-10-2012, 01:25 PM
      Shocked.



      /not.
    1. Brunow's Avatar
      Brunow - 07-10-2012, 01:48 PM
      I liked that Chael admitted grabbing Silva's shorts as well. He also grabbed the cage and hit Silva on the back of the head. I think this discussion from his camp is so much crap.
    1. jbleedin's Avatar
      jbleedin - 07-10-2012, 02:13 PM
      It's wimpy of Sonnen's camp to file an appeal. It looked to me like the knee was legal. It also kind of looked like, though, that Silva used the cage for leverage when throwing the knee. That is illegal, isn't it???
    1. Rich Davie's Avatar
      Rich Davie - 07-10-2012, 02:14 PM
      Yes it is.
    1. Misfit's Avatar
      Misfit - 07-10-2012, 02:41 PM
      Oh god.

      posting out of Alaska this summer.
    1. Brunow's Avatar
      Brunow - 07-10-2012, 02:47 PM
      Quote Originally Posted by jbleedin View Post
      It's wimpy of Sonnen's camp to file an appeal. It looked to me like the knee was legal. It also kind of looked like, though, that Silva used the cage for leverage when throwing the knee. That is illegal, isn't it???
      It looked to me like he used the cage to support himself post-movement, which is absolutely normal. The pic above has him putting his hand on the cage, but not grabbing it. I don't think it would levarage the power of the blow itself. The cage is not untouchable.

    1. Kickass32's Avatar
      Kickass32 - 07-10-2012, 03:34 PM
      Quote Originally Posted by Brunow View Post
      I liked that Chael admitted grabbing Silva's shorts as well. He also grabbed the cage and hit Silva on the back of the head. I think this discussion from his camp is so much crap.
      The punching to the back of the head complaint about Sonnen is just as stupid as the illegal knee arguement.....the knee wasn't illegal, and the punches weren't intended for the back of Silva's head.....it's the risk you run when moving your head to avoid the punches.
    1. jbleedin's Avatar
      jbleedin - 07-10-2012, 04:21 PM
      Quote Originally Posted by Brunow View Post
      It looked to me like he used the cage to support himself post-movement, which is absolutely normal. The pic above has him putting his hand on the cage, but not grabbing it. I don't think it would levarage the power of the blow itself. The cage is not untouchable.

      Yea, from that angle it doesn't look like he used the cage as leverage. PS- I know the cage is not untouchable...
    1. Xtrordinaire's Avatar
      Xtrordinaire - 07-10-2012, 04:28 PM
      One thing that did bother me was silva wiping the vaseline and rubbing it on himself..
      I know it was later wiped off but what was silva thinking??

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    1. Kickass32's Avatar
      Kickass32 - 07-10-2012, 04:30 PM
      Quote Originally Posted by Xtrordinaire View Post
      One thing that did bother me was silva wiping the vaseline and rubbing it on himself..
      I know it was later wiped off but what was silva thinking??

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      That's what pissed me off the most too...so fucking blatant!!!
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      Stauffy - 07-10-2012, 04:51 PM
      At first the knee did bother me but after watching it several, several times you can clearly see that it was legal. What Kickass said, its the vaseline thing that really pissed me off. It would not surprise me in the least if that's what Segal was telling him to do and that's what he was referring to when he said "things they thought were illegal"
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      AaronP95 - 07-10-2012, 05:08 PM
      I dont think that it is sonnen doing this, nco where in the article has sonnen been directly accused of contesting the knee, it always says "sonens camp"
      i know it usually is sonnen that starts these arguments but i really cant see it, he genuinely seems humbled
    1. Rich Davie's Avatar
      Rich Davie - 07-10-2012, 05:09 PM
      Quote Originally Posted by Brunow View Post
      It looked to me like he used the cage to support himself post-movement, which is absolutely normal. The pic above has him putting his hand on the cage, but not grabbing it. I don't think it would levarage the power of the blow itself. The cage is not untouchable.

      You're allowed to touch the cage, but not put your fingers through the fence and lock onto the cage.
    1. Agreedrobert619's Avatar
      Agreedrobert619 - 07-10-2012, 05:23 PM
      Anderson does the Vaseline thing every time he fights a grappler. It's pretty damn annoying.
    1. Kickass32's Avatar
      Kickass32 - 07-11-2012, 01:40 PM
      Update, I guess Sonnen's camp is NOT appealing the decision.



      Chael Sonnen Won't Appeal UFC 148 Loss to Anderson Silva

      Esther Lin, MMA Fighting




      By Dave Doyle
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      Jul 10, 2012 - Three days after his epic loss to Anderson Silva in the main event of UFC 148, Chael Sonnen hasn't made any major decisions regarding his future. But he made one thing clear: He has no plans of dwelling on his second-round TKO loss, either.
      Serving as a co-host to the UFC on Fuel TV 4 weigh-ins in San Jose, Calif., the vanquished contender swatted down erroneous Internet reports which claimed his camp was planning on appealing the fight's result to the Nevada Athletic Commission.
      Sonnen told Jay Glazer and MMAFighting.com's Ariel Helwani that Silva's knee to the chest while Sonnen was downed, the move in question, was something he has moved beyond.

      "Here's the reality," said Sonnen. "We don't do instant replay in this sport and we shouldn't. It comes down to a judgement call and wherever the referee [Yves Lavigne] says the knee landed officially, that's where the knee landed. That's an excellent official, they all are, he made his call and that's the way it goes and I will never complain or look back. ...
      "The referee's judgement is what stands. I trust in that and it works both ways. I've thrown knees before, the referee makes his decision, that is the decision and we would never appeal it, except with knees. If we would have a chance to re-do it, that's a different thing, but we would never go and appeal the decision. Part of competing is you got to know how to lose. It's really easy to win, but you've got to know how to lose. Sometimes you have to man up, swallow it, and walk out."
      Although Sonnen has yet to plot his next career move, he believe that the immediate aftermath of a fight isn't the time to make such a decision.
      "I don't think any athlete should even begin to talk like that or even think like that," he said. "You let about 30 days go by. Anything in life, you don't want to make a decision based on emotion. You have very big highs and very big lows in this sport. You don't want to make any drastic decisions. I think it's an insult to the fans when guys like to come out and say ‘I'm retired.' What they really mean is ‘Hey, I'll see everyone in 18 months because I'm coming back.' I don't want to see that. When I get to that point in my career I'll make a statement and never look back."
      Glazer couldn't help but ask about the move during the bout which had the MMA world buzzing, the wild missed spinning back fist which turned the fight in Silva's favor.
      Asked point-blank "What were you thinking?" Sonnen said "You know, I really wish that I knew, and I don't know. Listen, had that landed, we'd all be talking about what a wonderful spinning punch it it was, but it didn't and I fell down like a doofus."
      The middleweight instead credited Silva for his comeback abilities.
      "It's very rare in a competition where a guy will fall apart and come back within the same night. ... In my first fight with Anderson, he fell apart, and then at some point he said, you know what I think I can win this thing. And I really admire that in him. I look up to that in an athlete. He does that, Randy Couture does that really well. And Anderson did that in this fight as well. In the first round, he offered very little resistance and he came back strong."

      http://www.mmafighting.com/ufc/2012/...anderson-silva
    1. Rich Davie's Avatar
      Rich Davie - 07-11-2012, 02:30 PM
      Apparently there was a WWE rumour associated with this story as well :

      Chael Sonnen won't appeal loss to Silva; shoots down WWE rumor

      Jul 11, 2012
      9:13 AM


      By Mark J. Rebilas, US Presswire

      By MMAJunkie.com staff

      Chael Sonnen has opted against an appeal of this past weekend's UFC 148 loss to middleweight champion Anderson Silva.

      Sonnen suffered a second-round TKO loss after he slipped on a spinning-backfist attempt, which allowed Silva to tag him with a knee to the body that set up the eventual stoppage at the July 7 event.

      Sonnen said he won't appeal on the basis the knee was illegal.

      Earlier this week, Sonnen's coach Scott McQuarry told MMAjunkie.com he individually planned to appeal the defeat, which aired on pay-per-view from MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. He hoped it'd lead to a third match between Sonnen and Silva. However, Sonnen's manager, Mike Roberts, said he knew of no plans for Sonnen himself to appeal, and Nevada State Athletic Commission Executive Director Keith Kizer said it was unlikely to be unsuccessful anyway.

      Sonnen finally addressed the situation Tuesday on FUEL TV.

      "The referee's judgment is what stands," he said. "I trust in that, and it works both ways. The referee makes the decision, and that is the decision. We live with it. We would never go and appeal. A decision is a decision. Part of competing is you have to know how to lose. It's real easy to win, but you have to know how to lose. You have to man up, swallow it and walk out."

      Sonnen, in fact, voiced support for referee Yves Lavigne, who deemed Silva's knee legal. Replays, in fact, showed the knee landed legally to the chest. It didn't land illegally to the head, as some some speculated immediately after the event, though a good portion of Silva's thigh appeared to hit Sonnen's face.

      "The knee really hurt," Sonnen said. "All the shots really hurt. Here's the reality. We don't do instant replay in this sport, and we shouldn't. It comes down to a judgment call. And wherever the referee says the knee landed officially, that is where the knee landed. That is an excellent official, as they all are. He made his call, and I will never complain and look back."

      When asked about retirement, Sonnen said athletes should take at least a month after a loss to think about the decision. He suggested he'll do the same. (At the post-UFC 148 press conference, Sonnen said he didn't want to compete if he was just using up a roster spot and not challenging for a title.)

      Sonnen also shot down rumors of a potential move to the WWE. He said he'd go to the WWE as a fan, "but I go back to my promoter Dana White at the end of the night," he said.
      http://www.usatoday.com/sports/mma/p...c-148/800968/1
    1. Kickass32's Avatar
      Kickass32 - 07-11-2012, 03:30 PM
      Through all his antics, Chael Sonnen is a good guy....see the Munoz thread about him...
    1. Rich Davie's Avatar
      Rich Davie - 07-11-2012, 03:47 PM
      Quote Originally Posted by Kickass32 View Post
      Through all his antics, Chael Sonnen is a good guy....see the Munoz thread about him...
      He's our kind of guy... what would you expect !
    1. Kickass32's Avatar
      Kickass32 - 07-11-2012, 03:53 PM
      Quote Originally Posted by Rich Davie View Post
      He's our kind of guy... what would you expect !
      True enough buddy!!
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